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Hello and welcome to the Rule of Scary podcast, a podcast of two brothers. We are having an adventure today because this is our maiden voyage on the Rule of Scary podcast. Beautiful, beautiful thing about this podcast is is two guys taking a trip together. One brother does not love scary movies. brother Andrew, that's me.

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Yeah, I know. I don't like them that much.

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Sometimes I'll watch one and I don't sleep very well for a long time like a year or two. The last scary movie I saw was paranormal activity. And I would pause it and go do like the laundry and laugh. And then I would come back and watch some more and I'm still not right. So I'm very much looking forward to this.

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And of course, I'm brother Jay. And I love, love, love all things scary. So, it's gonna be, it's gonna be quite an adventure. I'm looking forward to going on this journey with you. It's gonna be fun. So the movie that we both reviewed for this episode is suspiria. The old one, the old one, the 1977 version. Yeah.

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And it's really it's, yeah, it's kind of clouded the Google results for sure. Like when you go to do any sort of looking into as I like to do like to research these things and kind of figure out why things are made or why they exist. And I was kind of really expecting like a bad movie, but uh, I got it. tell you, you know, I loved everything about this movie. I have some critic criticism, but I think that's fair. And I think we'll get there. But it's like saying you don't like poetry, you're not really allowed to or you just showed it say that out loud. So great film. I just thought it was gonna be worse. I

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love the idea that you went into this not expecting anything. And that's probably why right here, you got kind of this nice gift out of it. By the way,

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what are you drinking? Oh, that's right. Jason agreed to allow me to have a cocktail while doing this. And so I wanted to make something relevant. So today we are having a Negroni, which is a very, very Italian cocktail. It's just three parts of Campari removed and gin. Why it's very red, which is also fun, and it's very Italian. So I just thought it fit the movie very well.

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And Italian Of course, because of Dori Argento and That's lovely. So kind of what we're going to do is we're going to give you a little rundown of the movie. I'm going to allow Andrew to take that away because it's it's fun to kind of get your take on that. Sure.

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I mean, I could I could run through it all really from the beginning. I the only thing I knew about this movie going into is that once you tried to make me watch it in college, and I think I, we turned it off. And then the band the goblins was in there. And then I am familiar with because a buddy of mine went and saw them perform on Cherokee street in 2015. He was very excited about it. And that was sort of like my gateway to this movie. So right away, I knew that I really loved the music starts out great. All of a sudden, I'm noticing the red light, you know, everywhere and I'm kind of wondering how like, if this is intentional, is this going to be a theme? Obviously it is right? already so much from the beginning was troubling. Like you really had this like the airport scene in particular when she's going through the door and like the magic As I start to work, why do you have to show me that? But it's just like a hint at like the pure malevolence, like lurking beneath seemingly normal facades, right? There's tension and everything that happens in that thing, especially with the way things are paced in the dialogue, everything like the inside of everything. There's just a little bit of something bad underneath it. So I don't know. I just thought that was interesting.

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So much rain. I love that first scene, the airport scene, the idea that she's watching a lady walk out ahead of her, and the second the doors open, she walks out and it's just a blast of wind. Again, it's that great foreshadowing that argenta was perfect for you know, the second you step out of the door safety is over. Yeah, I love that about that. Really that opening scene, the whole airport scene? You know, because you're right. It's kind of that wonderful tension builder that's drawing you towards the school. So synopsis for those who may have never seen the movie which you totally should so fantastic, is that there is an American girl who is Going to a German Dance Academy and there are professional performers and dancers who go to this and it's the most elite of the elite and madness ensues once she reaches her destination so sorry I wanted to give a brief rundown for those who may not have seen it, Andrew

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Yeah. Interesting. Fun fact. The lady who leaves the airport is actually Argento his co writer and partner. What's her name? Daria, Nicole od. She was also a writer and partly influenced. She wanted to play Sarah but she got ill.

Unknown Speaker : 6:36

That's fantastic. You know, hat tip to her if she wanted to play Sarah and could not do it. Here it is because yeah, obviously that wasn't you know, wasn't it's not all shot in order. So the idea of that is is fantastic that he managed to go ahead and get her in the movie.

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So right away, there's some character shifts, which I'm really confused about because kind of all these ladies look the same and they're all like it's raining and wet. And I don't know who's Doing what who's running through the woods who's getting out of the car who's going to the apartment building, you know, where the first horror scene unfolds? Right? So I stopped it the first time, 15 minutes then. And then I started again a few days later. And it's like, Okay, this all makes a little more sense. Now, I kind of go into these things. And it's probably a character flaw, like trying to just really hard on things in the beginning. And I always want to know how much is intentional versus how much is just sort of like, well, that just happened for no reason. So I'm picking up on all these things like and I couldn't stop noticing them with all the color shifts and the hues, from red to blue, the pacing of things. So it turned out obviously, like a main theme throughout the film, which is even crazier that he and the cinematographer, like went to 1937 Snow White in the Seven Dwarves and wanted to use that color palette Exactly. Like as for the inspiration of how color was used in the film. It's pretty, pretty interesting. But yeah, it was Eric, once you find out that everything's sort of intentional. We've arrived at our First murder scene. So we're all having we're all having a good time at this point, the fact that

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you know, that

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tickles me that you've done the research and you know that that's come from Snow White in the seven doors and it being kind of an Italian art house picture. Here's the basis for that, you know, obviously it had some kind of, you know, effect on on a young you know, filmmaker, cinematographer.

Unknown Speaker : 8:24

Yeah, everything was just super super intentional, every part of it. The music which I want to talk about the goblins later like they recorded the music for that soundtrack. Like before the film was even shot and the band provided Argento rough takes over the music so that he could play on set while filming. He is in his own he's doing his thing Leave him alone. He is the director here like everybody was looking to him you know for everything like he was just know exactly what he's doing and exactly what he wanted. So that was cool. So

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I love that. Do you want to hear my Goblin impression? I've got one. Yeah,

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yeah, ready? Yes. It's the Right here. Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah. for two hours. Yeah. And you know, you don't realize like at first you're like this this stupid shit I ever heard in my life. Yeah. And then you get 15 minutes into the film and you're like, Okay, officially, I am beyond creeped out. We can get the great like high contrast blues and reds and then you have that kind of unsettling sound going on throughout the entire soundtrack. And you're like, I think seriously think about this my fans. So

Unknown Speaker : 9:33

yeah, I wrote a note at that point. I said, The whispering in the music is creepy. If I picked up on it right away. I love that man. And once they start going around, I mean, she gets to the building. It's a red building. The lady runs out, the lady runs to another building with the red door she's in a red hotel, she appears in a blue light. Again, the pacing is weird. So there's this tension like why people White people talking like this, you know, and then she goes into the bathroom and there's, you know, red blue lighting and there's this blue lighting in the window. And then like, of course the big hairy arms come through, we see the eyes first and then the big hairy arms. And then I guess that's how she got to the roof. But the person she was with a friend is running around the building, frantically screaming, help, there's a murder. But like five seconds ago was given this girl a really hard time as to why she was there. She didn't know any of her story. I just thought it was interesting. Like if you were to use my restroom, and there was a commotion. I don't know if my first instinct would be. There's a murder in there with him.

Unknown Speaker : 10:38

Well, here's what I want to tell you. If I start to raise a commotion in your bathroom, I absolutely 100% what you did just start screaming there's a murder in there with him. Because no matter what I always want that to be everybody's first instinct is to just believe no matter what I'm doing, there's a murderer in there with me.

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Probably a murderer. Yeah,

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yeah, I get angry behind the wheel of the car. So I want somebody in traffic to be like, Fuck, he's got a murderer in there with him.

Unknown Speaker : 11:09

Yeah, yeah, go ahead, the stabbing the stabbing in that the real slow quiet stabs and one stab in particular, you get to see it go into the heart, the chest is open, the heart is exposed and the knife goes into the heart really close up, which is sort of a theme among all the murder scenes in this film. And you know how she kind of went to the glass like that and the length of rope and how she kind of did that. And so

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I have a question for you at the heart scene. Did you have to stop the movie?

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No, no.

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That's one of my biggest issues with this film is it wasn't particularly scary, right? Like, our first film isn't something that I found to be particularly scary. I think it was a little bit had some Gore. I don't think it's nearly as gory. As some of the shit that's out now, but I kind of quickly realized that it was more of like a supernatural horror slash mystery kind of arthouse piece, right like that. I've just actually really enjoyed. I don't know, right, so I'm not gonna be losing sleep over this.

Unknown Speaker : 12:16

Well, and for all of you who are listening, this is kind of the beauty of the podcast that we're doing. Andrew again, hates horror movies. For the most part, me, I love them and I get to choose our movies. Part of the reason I chose this picture in particular, is because it is it has a lot of really wonderful kind of redeeming qualities to it, even though it's not probably the scariest movie ever made in the history of the of the world. It's very cerebral. It definitely has a lot of artsy punch to it. For the most part. It's a fairly well told story, but you got to get kind of through the blanket of the art in order to to get to the story itself.

Unknown Speaker : 12:57

Yeah, there weren't many potholes. You know, again, I think that's kind of the point of this, like, the point of the Rule of Scary is it doesn't have to make sense if it's scary. So that's kind of why we're doing this. Like, unlike science fiction, you know, science fiction fans, that couldn't really happen. Like, they'll call out a movie really quickly if something couldn't happen, but horror film is exactly the opposite. Like, it doesn't matter. It just has to be scary. If so, this was not that. That's okay.

Unknown Speaker : 13:23

Yeah. No, I agree with that. You know what I mean? Like, I'm kind of excited that and we'll get to a verdict later, you know, we will, you know, rule whether it obeyed the Rule of Scary or didn't, but I'm glad that this was kind of our first movie because it's been a lot of years since I saw it last. And there were parts that I had forgotten. You know, some of the kind of kind of massacre II scenes that had been, you know, kind of shuffled away through all of the slasher movies that I've seen, you know, you know, I mean, like stuff that I just kind of filed away. But I you know, I truly truly enjoyed it because the Reds were to read and the you know, the everything was was kind of over accentuated and I love the kind of like, the texture of the movie if that makes sense. You know, that sounds that sounds so film snobby of me I'm like, Oh, yeah, the texture that you know.

Unknown Speaker : 14:21

No, and I've thought about that I have a lot of notes and I wrote down somewhere in my notes. I don't know how to talk about this without sounding like a complete snob, right? Cuz like, you do want to talk about like, the cinematography, like why are these choices made and the cinematographer tool volley or whatever came from the school where you always thought that natural light was the best like you just used available natural light and that's how the best way you were going to light a scene or person and they said everyone on set was like having to, like, just go roll along with it. Like why are their giant panels of red lights so close to people you know, and like, why Casting them in all these lights it was just went against everything that they had kind of practice. So I thought that was fascinating.

Unknown Speaker : 15:06

When I went to school, part of what we learned was you have to learn to adapt, not natural light to look like natural light. And then like after, after, you know, you get out of kind of like intro to filmmaking and you get into kind of more advanced classes, they're like, No use this as your pink palette. You get to paint with the light. And you know, I mean, like, the whole time I because I actually had an instructor once told me that and I thought at the time, it was still like the most pretentious dumbest thing that a human being could say. And then like, as I was watching this movie the other night, I thought, Oh, my look at them painting with the light painting with it. It's painted. Because it really was I mean, like it was so rich. Was was pretty damn fantastic. Now sometimes a little overdone. Yeah. But you know Again, Italian arthouse piece, you know i mean like it's just to me.

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You want to get into some of the mechanics of once we're at school cuz a lot more shit goes down. Yeah, right.

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Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

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So we make it back after the stabbing of the heart and the the rope and the thing and someone was killed by class also just standing by. So she makes it back to the school again, red building blue interior. We're very soon introduced to Madame Blanc and also the director whatever I forget her name Tanner, I think but she's taking them up the stairs. And when you meet Pablo, the handyman and Pablo is sort of like ghoulish. He has hairy arms. He's got crazy looking teeth, very pale. But that was kind of the thing about this movie. Like everyone who seemed devilish or bad in the film actually turned out to be just that there was no like, maybe it's that guy. Or maybe it's that guy like everyone who seemed horrible. The cook the creepy Kid Pablo with a hairy arms like they all turned out to be really bad. So, introduce those people walking through were introduced to Dancing Dancing is a thing that happens. I'm not an expert on dancing. So is it good dancing? We don't know. But it's happening. At least for a little while until a hex or a curse, I guess was put on our protagonist Susie banyon. By cook, and a little creepy kid, yeah, with a flash of light, right? She gets very sick, she starts hemorrhaging. She can't dance. She's introduced to a doctor. The doctor says drink this wine and we'll help build your blood.

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And then our worms.

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You talk about the word recording.

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There. There were worms. That was what? That was one of the wonderful kind of scenes in this movie where you're like, I don't fucking know what's going on. And then you include Yep, you look at everybody else in the room and you're like, they don't fucking know what's going on either. So What's really awesome I

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took and I said I like to call this a potential segment called just when you think you know a movie, like the worms like

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so yeah, just when Hey, Knock Knock Who's there? It's fucking worms. So worms start falling out of the ceiling all over people because all of a sudden the undisclosed third floor the third floor that didn't exist in the film until right now, apparently they just store meet up there. And yeah, that's the excuse they give for the 8 trillion worms falling through the ceiling all over everybody is that well, we must have gotten bad meat. Who that number one fuck? right is the meat up there? Why is the meat up there? Why is the meat up there who keeps meeting their fucking attic? Nobody does that. Are you kidding? yet? I mean, at least even cavemen. No, you got to keep the meat cool. You don't keep it the static. No, no, no was

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the one word. We're talking million worms. I know

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there could have been a million worms. I mean, like

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i plus the worms are showing this movie.

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Right? And I mean, like and then there was the whole long drawn out, like, let's walk on the worms and then I you know that certainly not a scene you could make now without without CG but, you know, I mean like the beauty of that scene is

Unknown Speaker : 19:24

you know when when you're in reference to the Rule of Scary did that scene make any sense at all? No, not at all. I mean, like, it didn't even function to carry the plot forward. I think it did you do, cuz that's how you get into the practice Hall. With everyone sleeping in you're introduced to the snoring. So they go to sleep in the practice Hall and they have all these big sheets up right for some reason where they normally dance and stuff in cots and like these cards are great. This is more comfortable than I normally sleep and I didn't believe that but they turned off the lights, and all of a sudden, this place where they're sleeping is just doused in this red light, this red hue. And you know, like, it's just gonna get weird. And when the silhouette of the thing lies down on the cot behind them to go to sleep and start storing that was fucking scary. Like, that thing was scary. Like the way it lied down. It's just It's horrible.

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Right? You know, and the thing never before that had I had I been like, well, that's snoring is sure is fucking terrifying. But now, you know, I mean, like the dog snores and I fell out of my chair yesterday. Because it you know, certainly adds a lot to the creep factor. But I get that I follow that I follow that line of logic that one leads to the other you know, you have to have the upstairs in order to get to the practice room in order to have the sleep sequence. But I mean, like, I'm going to say ham handed. That was a pretty ham handed segway hands free ham handed. I don't know if that's a real thing or not. But I feel like it should be.

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Feel like I got it. Okay. Like I have it ham hands.

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Hands. So what? Watch out kids? Oh cool. Andrews got

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the ham and you've got ham hands and hams for arms up. Arms

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quarantining for 74 days. Okay, so

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what happens here? Um, yeah, the pacing of that was really weird. I was like, Why is it taking her so long to tell the story about the snoring? But that was intentional. There's some interesting dubbing stuff which we can maybe get into later. But let's see what really happens. I mean, we get a real first glimpse of how evil Tanner is the director probably getting that all wrong but it doesn't matter. She throws out the blind guy and throws the stick at him and stuff. Or you know, because his dog apparently bit the Gypsy cookin the creepy kid.

Unknown Speaker : 21:57

Yeah, the nephew, the beloved nephew. You know, yeah, he's a little a little blonde, German Dutch Boy. He's a bad dude. Yeah, he was bad dude, I'm pretty sure that may have been the devil.

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So where are we been? We've been in the school or the school. The next scene is Daniel, the blind guy, right? So keep in mind, the only male figures in this, let's say excluding the psychologists, right? Are the Pablo who is like a mute servant, creepy, evil kid and a blind piano player. Everything everyone else is pretty much female, which I think is fantastic. Anyway, Daniel appears at the Beer Hall. And I thought that scene was crazy because they're all slapping each other and it's super dark in there, like maybe didn't have lights, but they do fun fact that Beer Hall has a history. So there are only a few locations outside of the set that were actually relocations. The Beer Hall was one of them. Daniels horror scene where he's walking across the plaza or whatever. That was a Famous rallying place for Nazi soldiers. In fact, the beer garden was I think, not Hitler gave like his first Nazi Party speech in that same Beer Hall. Awesome stuff I read.

Unknown Speaker : 23:12

So it was that intent. Do you know was that intentional? Like was those choices for location was that was that made intentionally kind of tied to the kind of creep factor there?

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There's a theory that like when you have sort of something that wasn't that long ago, you know, at the time, like that still existed, like in the setting location, and just choosing Germany at All right, great. So I think that was a little intentional. I don't think it was meant to be drugged out or anything. I mean, there's a whole article about like, is this movie misogynistic, which is crazy, right, because all the murders happen to women, but like Argento didn't help himself when he like, had an interview in 1983, and said that he'd rather see a pretty woman like get murdered. I'm paraphrasing here, an ugly one. And so that didn't Help. But really do you think about like, who really has the power and the throughout this whole movie? It's females. So

Unknown Speaker : 24:06

I think that no, I think that there's something to be said there. Because I mean, like, if you look at, and of course, I don't want to get too far ahead. But if you really look at the antagonist and protagonist in the whole picture, I mean, like, it's all female, which is pretty interesting. Because really, if you look at you know, the the servant who is actually kind of carrying out mischief, he it's an instrument. He's a tool.

Unknown Speaker : 24:32

Yeah. When you're introduced to Pablo, it's, it's incredible. What is it? She says, as they're going up to stairs? She said, he really is quite ugly, isn't he? But like, I should have seen him before. He's much better now. He has his false teeth. Like, he's rude as hell.

Unknown Speaker : 24:48

Yeah. She's pretty Yeah. Yeah. She's pretty neat. I like her dress. And yeah,

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so this is Pablo, our general handyman. He's really ugly. Isn't it? Yeah, that's good. Yeah, that there were a few quotes of hers that I thought were good. There were a few quotes that I pulled in. We need to get back into like the kinds of mechanics of this but there's some good quotes in here. One One, she's finds out that Suzy is like, can stand up for herself. She's like, it's really admirable. But, like she did it with this crazy evil grin. So

Unknown Speaker : 25:20

yeah, I love that. I love that same line. I love Love, love that same line. Because, you know, there is you can totally tell again, there's an anger behind it. And, you know, it's like, oh, good for you. You're awesome. Cute crazy bitch. You know, like, yeah, just so fantastic. Kudos to to the actress because that was the most believable angry lady I've ever seen in my life. She was very angry. Oh,

Unknown Speaker : 25:50

there's a point and we'll get to it later. We got to get into like Daniel stuff. I have a question. Okay. But there is a point later where you're like, oh, everyone's lying. Look like you didn't know that up to a point. You're like, Oh shit, like, I know they're lying now, you know, so I will get there. So Daniel, I don't know somebody comes up to him and he has to leave the beard garden and he's walking across the plaza. What was it? It was

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I can't remember you say

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it in perfect German immediately. Again. It's so bad.

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Let's see he's walking across the deserted square. So it's called konak splats and Munich Germany. Right. So at this point, I watching this film and I think boy, I really don't want to I really don't want to watch this blind guy and dog get murdered. Oh, wait, Bad dog. Like, the bad dog? What bites his neck right? Slowly and it just like stays on that neck for a while but then why does it have to eat him? Yeah, like, I don't seem to extra I don't know that that when dogs attack do they stick around to eat it? I don't think so.

Unknown Speaker : 27:04

Now Yeah, I think that may have been just a little bit of extra I don't I mean, again, it was one of those things that was a choice that wouldn't necessarily have been my choice. You know, I'd say, you know, from a dog owner bite the fuck out of you, and then I'm gonna run off. I'm not going to stick around. So that maybe, you know, I get chased away by, you know, two dudes in Sean's arms or whatever the hell they are. You know, like, I'm not sticking around. I'm gonna bite the fuck out of you know, I'm leaving. I guess that's actually my plan for this afternoon. I'm going to bite the fuck out of somebody and then run away.

Unknown Speaker : 27:44

Well, the only way

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it is the only way really, but yeah, I didn't. I didn't quite get that either. And then you don't know how to feel really about, about anything because you're like, well, the dog bit the kid the kid is clearly evil. So the dog knows what's going on. Now all of a sudden now is he like a curse demon dog? Like what? What the hell is going on there? Well,

Unknown Speaker : 28:08

yeah, we're not introduced to the concept of the occult yet at this point, right, right. No, that comes right after. Because right. Why would the dog do that? The dog becomes possessed. I don't know. Right? So we're introduced to the idea of witches like after that. So there's this nice pool where they're swimming. So I'm thinking someone's definitely dies in there. They don't. But here comes the music. Right? So what Sarah Sarah's her friend, she's sort of stays in the room next to her Susie is incapacitated for some reason. I have no idea why I'm writing down. Why can Susie not wake up all of a sudden? turns out they're drugging her. I get that later. But this is where they have a conversation about about witches, right? I believe that like witches are introduced at this point.

Unknown Speaker : 29:01

Right, like when they were in the pool, wasn't that it?

Unknown Speaker : 29:03

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So they talked about it a little bit in the bowl. And they're like, Ooh, that's good. Chuck that in secret. And so they go back and all of a sudden, they're sleeping girl and there's like, not stop talking girl. And you're like, this scene has a deseine has a weird energy. But you know, it's great. It's great. Because like, that's what the whole movie was about was about weird energy.

Unknown Speaker : 29:28

Yeah, so the notes are gone. She's freaking out. She's trying to wake up Susie. And that's when the witches plot is introduced by Suzy. And oddly enough, that was the first use of this weird green light. They hadn't used this color before. So I just thought that was kind of a nice detail. This is the first murder that happens at the school, like everything else has been sort of off campus. But not you know, this school has a room, a pit of razor wire that you can fall into

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Did you not know that most Performing Arts places just have a big ass room of razor wire? Yeah, you know, it's it's fun. It's just a fun thing. thing. One One of the many amenities that that that school offers.

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Aaron walked in the room and she's not a big horror movie buff either. She saw it she turned it on just walked right back.

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No, no, no. Ultimately, she doesn't die from the razor wire. Although it seems like you could. She gets very close throat slash we get to see full frame. Slowly right across the throat there. That was pretty gross. I did look away from that.

Unknown Speaker : 30:44

That was a good that was a good scene, though. I mean, like, yeah, I gotta tell you, I knew that when we were having this conversation, you would tell me exactly those words. Like I had to look away from that. Just because, you know, I mean like, and the thing about that is who knows what That really could have been I mean, like, they could have been like a site of B for a site report I

Unknown Speaker : 31:04

thought about that look like it could have been like pork, like the skin of like a pit hog. Right, right.

Unknown Speaker : 31:12

Yeah, yeah. Something just add a little pressure and then you slash it with a knife and then you know, it opens up and the effect is there. I mean, like it's, it's pretty fantastic and it's very very cheap. I'm sure they probably bought that. That's the you know, piece of meat right there on the square where they were, you know, shooting the film.

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For you're just like, Okay, I'm done. I'm done with this scene. You know, look away with no balls.

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So Sarah is dead. there at the school the next morning and Susie's looking for Sarah. I assume it's Sarah. I think it is. Yeah. Although who was the girl that died at the hotel? Patty? I don't know. let's not let's not get carried away. The girl who just died is Sarah. This is when you're introduced to the lie right Tanner? Or the director. She says I heard her leave or in her like, she has a boy that helps her and he said the same thing. Other boys know So, uh, so he says, Yeah, I heard her leaving sort of corroborate her story and stuff, which I thought was fine because we clearly know she didn't leave. So why are they lying? Especially when we've just been introduced to the witches theory, right? And now you're aware that people are lying. So it's like a real who done it? Yeah. I have another issue here. Madame Blanca seems completely in the dark.

Unknown Speaker : 32:34

But that in that the greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing people he didn't exist. Oh, yeah.

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Cuz I I've thought Why is she so in the dark and I didn't even know who she would turn out to be in the end, but I'm like, she really has no idea what's going on in our own school. Anyway, what happens next we're introduced to some psychologists that was very convenient. That was like the BMW headquarters at Think well that was shot. That's where we got the line. Bad luck isn't from broken mirrors but from broken minds that's quotable from the movie for sure. All right. They just basically spent the next 20 minutes talking about witches exist and Susie just cannot believe that witches exist, right? I'm like, you've heard this. Why are you so like, you know, suspicious about this? Like, why is it so inconceivable in this scene that witches exist the occult has existed for however long.

Unknown Speaker : 33:25

I agree. I have a couple of things that I'd like to say about this scene. She is so 100% like the idea of the purity to the point where it's she just can't make her brain believe that this is happening...can't believe that in this big crazy world. There's such a thing as witches and oh, how does it come about and well, what is a witch? What is it I'm gonna start asking people that randomly on the street? It's a with Mrs. Carruthers. What is a witch that's destined to get somebody's going to shut the fuck up? That's going to happen. Because that's kind of what I wanted to say to her like three or four times in that scene where I'm just like, yeah, nobody nobody is, is quite that sheltered to a point where you'd be like, Well, I'd never heard this in America. It kind of shows though a little bit of kind of the cultural difference there began, you have an Italian writer and German kind of backdrop trying to write American when clearly they're like, yeah, this is how every American in the world thinks, you know, in the 70s. And everybody knows that all Americans in the 70s were witches, all of them. Yes, every single one. There wasn't there wasn't a single person who lived in the fucking 70s that wasn't a witch. I mean, some people evolved out of that, thankfully, you know, but some didn't. I guess.

Unknown Speaker : 34:58

No, yeah, Argento And onto make the other two films that once this film was successful, he's like, I think there's some men to this which thing. So he had to create the trilogy that three mothers like there was another one that 80s and another one 2007. And it's basically all kind of the same story. I haven't seen them, but like just somewhere else, like the next one is in New York. And the next one is in another place. But yeah, so we're introduced to the black Queen here. Helena Marcos.

Unknown Speaker : 35:24

Yes. And she's pretty. I mean, like, really don't know that.

Unknown Speaker : 35:29

We don't know that yet. We're only being told by this guy with the crazy eyebrows about her. Right? Yeah. And he's like, if you know a coven can't exist, it's like a snake. You have to cut off the head, which is the second time snake has come up because in the beginning when they were in the locker room, the lady said the thing about names with S is they're like snakes and they do this weird tongue sticking out exchange back and forth like hissing. That was weird. Yeah, the black coin made or suspiria or in the mother of sighs she's the oldest in white. I just have the three mothers right looking back so we're introduced to her in what? A bad attack.

Unknown Speaker : 36:08

Yeah, then that leads pretty much right into the bat attack scene.

Unknown Speaker : 36:13

Which, oh my god, that was the fattest that I've ever seen in my life

Unknown Speaker : 36:20

is like a ham

Unknown Speaker : 36:22

combat, we're back to the ham hands. You know you've got a ham. And that fucking bat was so fat. It was like,

Unknown Speaker : 36:30

it was poor thing. Like, she had to hold it against her head a lot of the time to make it look like it was attacking her head. It was all over her. Probably a puppet in most scenes. She gets it down on the ground, finally puts a blanket on it. And then takes the flat part of us tool and comes down on that thing like three or four times. It's pretty gruesome. In the screen, there's a little gray spot on the towel or the sheet.

Unknown Speaker : 37:00

Just I'll never get over how fat that bat was. I just was the fattest goddamn that I've ever seen in my life

Unknown Speaker : 37:07

has this is amazing this is filmmaking at its very very best like throw realism right the fuck out what I want you to do is go to the pound and get me the fattest dog you can find we're gonna glue some some fucking wings to its back and we got a scene baby. What What can we make a bat? I don't know a tennis ball. Sure. Let's fucking do that. It's all gonna read on camera. But I love this game because it was well acted when you consider the tools she had, you know?

Unknown Speaker : 37:41

Yes, yeah. What was the point?

Unknown Speaker : 37:45

Well, that's that was the next part. We were moving through the bat. So the bathroom.

Unknown Speaker : 37:50

No, no, no. What was the point of the bat?

Unknown Speaker : 37:52

The point of the bat actually came before the actual bat. It was the eyes. You could see the eyes the the yellow eyes in like in the shower stall? You could see and that well yeah those yellow eyes in both scenes actually. So it's very subtle in that in the bad attack scene because she is standing there and like over her shoulder I think it's over her left shoulder. You can see the eyes through yeah through. Well there yeah like the yellow ones. You can see them through the shower stall and then she opens it up and the fucking bats in there the football bat is in there.

Unknown Speaker : 38:34

And then, you know, man mayhem ensues may ham mayhem

Unknown Speaker : 38:40

Hey, so she pours this wind down the sink like oil. I don't know it won't wash away. She flushes her food she finds out she's being drugged she starts to count the first step just gonna follow them. She goes into a Blue Room into red Hall cue the goblins right so you know shits gonna get weird. She runs out with a knife. I guess when she hears things he just goes after them with knives. That's fine. We're in Adams office. It's raining again. So I'm thinking nice book in there. Plus I looked at how much time was left on this thinking like, okay, we're gonna wrap this up. She finds the hallway and down the hallway. Again. It's the longest slowest walk, ever done a hallway. The pacing throughout this whole thing is like this conversations, movement. It's just really weird. Yeah. So what does she find? And here's where things got a little goofy for me. So Jay, you might, you might really need to step in and tell me tell me about what I saw. Because you see, Pablo, Pablo is in there. Okay, so first, you see, Madam, and she's bad. And she's saying horrible things. And she's surrounded by her staff. Everyone. You thought that was evil from the school? turns out they're evil. They are a coven. But she's saying horrible things. She says she's screaming, she must banish that American bitch Susie. And then like, we have to kill her was like 15 minutes ago. I didn't think you knew anything, you know. And it turns out that she's probably not the head of the coven. But you know, that's obviously Halina Marcus but